Just how much Energy does Willem the Demeaning have? - Guild Wars Forums

vader · Jul 27, 2010, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Ok, I don't usually complain about bosses but this is absolutely stupid.

I'm doing Riverside Assassination in normal mode with my Elementalist (Fire). I brought Sousuke (Fire), Olias (MM / Interrupter), Dunkoro (Healing), Orion, and Alesia.

Everything was simple until I got to Willem. I can't kill him with this group! He sits there and spams and spams and spams and spams his skills (Ether Feast fills a quarter of his bar). I fought him for 5 straight minutes watching him spam without stopping. I know he's a boss but this is ridiculous. He has no energy management skills and he never ran out of energy. Even if he had 100 energy to start with, after 5 minutes of spamming skills he has to run out of energy eventually.

Yelling @ Cats · Jul 27, 2010, 10:46 PM // 22:46

If only there were a skill that countered skill spamming, or other viable ways to stop casting.

Xenomortis · Jul 27, 2010, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by vader

I know he's a boss but this is ridiculous. He has no energy management skills and he never ran out of energy. Even if he had 100 energy to start with, after 5 minutes of spamming skills he has to run out of energy eventually.

Enemies in Guild Wars often do not obey the rules of the game. Casters may have insane armour levels and have huge amounts of energy regeneration (it's been known for a target to be completely drained of energy, only to have loads back seconds later). This overcomes a problem the AI often has with energy - unless half their bar is stacked with energy management skills, they're quickly going to run out of energy.

The answer is to bring better damage. 3 Fire Nukers are clearly insufficient. Try bringing a Panic Mesmer with Mistrust, a more spike oriented build (use PvE skills like You Move Like a Dwarf and Finish Him). Going in Hard Mode would also increase the level and power of your Henchmen (very important since it affects the damage done by the Ele by both increasing his attribute level and lowering the effective armour of the target).

I myself had no problem killing him in Hard Mode with a more disruption heavy setup.

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

If only there were a skill that countered skill spamming

Diversion is a waste of time really. It's only marginally effective against the mobs before the boss and there are better skills to take on your heroes.

garethporlest18 · Jul 27, 2010, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Our AI doesn't get heavy energy regen like the enemy AI does. I heard that bosses and even regular monsters have like 5-10 regen on their energy so that they rarely run out and if they do they get it back right away. A good way to test it on that boss would be to bring skills that drain energy and do damage like Mind Wrack and then energy draining skills. Then you can prove what I heard wrong.

belshazaarswrath · Jul 27, 2010, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Diversion is a waste of time really. It's only marginally effective against the mobs before the boss and there are better skills to take on your heroes.

Plenty of skills do what he's talking about besides diversion...why did you bring that up specifically?

Also bring a Mesmer...then you're golden.

Mustache Mayhem · Jul 27, 2010, 11:14 PM // 23:14

curses necro does a good job against him too

MisterB · Jul 27, 2010, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Fire magic is weak in hard mode; don't use it. With the increased armor of your foes and the level difference reducing skill damage, choose armor ignoring damage if you want to kill things in a timely fashion.

Enemies in PvE don't follow the same rules as players, especially bosses.

Xenomortis · Jul 27, 2010, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

Plenty of skills do what he's talking about besides diversion...why did you bring that up specifically?

Powerblock and Power Lock do similar things but are weaker and require you to interrupt a 1 second spell being cast under Fast Casting. DShot and Magebane have the same problem but also necessitate bringing a Ranger hero (or at least a hero with a bow and ranger secondary).
Plus heroes waste them - at least you can micro Diversion.

Alternatively; bring a skill that steals a random spell, but that's not likely to succeed in hitting the right skill so really you're better off just killing him outright and bringing some generic disruption if you can't push through his Ether Feast.

Yelling @ Cats · Jul 27, 2010, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Fire magic is weak in hard mode; don't use it. With the increased armor of your foes and the level difference reducing skill damage, choose armor ignoring damage if you want to kill things in a timely fashion.

Enemies in PvE don't follow the same rules as players, especially bosses.

Fire is weak everywhere.

Earth does the damage, as well as so much more utility it hurts. Fire has one good spell, and that's Meteor Shower...and no, not because it does a lot of damage, but because it is the only Fire magic spell that does something besides damage.

Mokeiro · Jul 27, 2010, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Arcane Languor is your friend.

instanceskiller · Jul 27, 2010, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Fire magic is weak in hard mode; don't use it. With the increased armor of your foes and the level difference reducing skill damage, choose armor ignoring damage if you want to kill things in a timely fashion.

Enemies in PvE don't follow the same rules as players, especially bosses.

I don't think they were talking about hard mode...

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Originally Posted by vader

Ok, I don't usually complain about bosses but this is absolutely stupid.

I'm doing Riverside Assassination in normal mode with my Elementalist (Fire). I brought Sousuke (Fire), Olias (MM / Interrupter), Dunkoro (Healing), Orion, and Alesia.

Everything was simple until I got to Willem. I can't kill him with this group! He sits there and spams and spams and spams and spams his skills (Ether Feast fills a quarter of his bar). I fought him for 5 straight minutes watching him spam without stopping. I know he's a boss but this is ridiculous. He has no energy management skills and he never ran out of energy. Even if he had 100 energy to start with, after 5 minutes of spamming skills he has to run out of energy eventually.

Anyways TC, I did it with my elementalist in nm but didn't find that I had any real problems with willem. This is probably because I brought a spirit spammer with me and they just overloaded him. From your post, I'm guessing you still beat him anyways but if you didn't, or want to go again, perhaps trying out new team builds would help like incorporating knockdowns.

belshazaarswrath · Jul 27, 2010, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Powerblock and Power Lock do similar things but are weaker and require you to interrupt a 1 second spell being cast under Fast Casting. DShot and Magebane have the same problem but also necessitate bringing a Ranger hero (or at least a hero with a bow and ranger secondary).
Plus heroes waste them - at least you can micro Diversion.

Alternatively; bring a skill that steals a random spell, but that's not likely to succeed in hitting the right skill so really you're better off just killing him outright and bringing some generic disruption if you can't push through his Ether Feast.

What about backfire? That doesn't necessarily stop the skill from going off but it should at least counteract the healing.

Most of the mesmer profession could really be used effectively against Willem.

The only really difficult Mursaat boss in the WiK content in my opinion is Koril the Malignant and that's only because he likes to overwhelm you with foes.

Mustache Mayhem · Jul 27, 2010, 11:50 PM // 23:50

barbs, ss, reckless haste.. esp if you bring a minion master- barbs take him down quick

Danax · Jul 28, 2010, 01:40 AM // 01:40

try spiteful spirit, pain inverter, visions of regret, backfire, either of those to punish spamming or broad head arrow + ebon vanguard sin to stop the skill spamming

Life Bringing · Jul 28, 2010, 02:31 AM // 02:31

I had no issues with this...I hit him with a scythe for about 30 seconds and he died. Moral of the story:Scythes are better than most primary professions.

RedDog91 · Jul 28, 2010, 02:48 AM // 02:48

replace Sousuke with Xandra or Razah and run SoS

omegaXking · Jul 28, 2010, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by Mokeiro

Arcane Languor is your friend.

this guy speaks the truth

Astral_Nomad · Jul 28, 2010, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by vader

Ok, I don't usually complain about bosses but this is absolutely stupid.

I'm doing Riverside Assassination in normal mode with my Elementalist (Fire). I brought Sousuke (Fire), Olias (MM / Interrupter), Dunkoro (Healing), Orion, and Alesia.

Everything was simple until I got to Willem. I can't kill him with this group! He sits there and spams and spams and spams and spams his skills (Ether Feast fills a quarter of his bar). I fought him for 5 straight minutes watching him spam without stopping. I know he's a boss but this is ridiculous. He has no energy management skills and he never ran out of energy. Even if he had 100 energy to start with, after 5 minutes of spamming skills he has to run out of energy eventually.

ummm.. try using a melee hero? lol.. sometimes direct damage (ie a whack over the head) will do more than any spell and i see you only have casters in your party.

Further - he could have a high natural energy regeneration

aspi · Jul 28, 2010, 06:58 AM // 06:58

You have a MM, so let him bring barbs or you bring it see him die within seconds. Oh and the skill finish him is pretty good too.
Strange enough you could do enemies untill willem, I'd rather fight 10 willem than those damn cloaks.

Mintha Syl · Jul 28, 2010, 03:16 PM // 15:16

I had some trouble with the rest of the mission but the boss passed so quickly that I didn't even remember him and I think I had random heores (maybe mm + curses necro or koss + standard healer).

Anyway I agree that

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Originally Posted by Danax

try spiteful spirit, pain inverter, visions of regret, backfire, either of those to punish spamming or broad head arrow + ebon vanguard sin to stop the skill spamming

casters are the foes whi make me love mesmers most (intending backfire, vor, and something else).

Jul 27, 2010, 10:42 PM // 22:42	#1
vader Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: P/W	Just how much Energy does Willem the Demeaning have? Ok, I don't usually complain about bosses but this is absolutely stupid. I'm doing Riverside Assassination in normal mode with my Elementalist (Fire). I brought Sousuke (Fire), Olias (MM / Interrupter), Dunkoro (Healing), Orion, and Alesia. Everything was simple until I got to Willem. I can't kill him with this group! He sits there and spams and spams and spams and spams his skills (Ether Feast fills a quarter of his bar). I fought him for 5 straight minutes watching him spam without stopping. I know he's a boss but this is ridiculous. He has no energy management skills and he never ran out of energy. Even if he had 100 energy to start with, after 5 minutes of spamming skills he has to run out of energy eventually.

Jul 27, 2010, 10:46 PM // 22:46	#2
Yelling @ Cats Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2009	If only there were a skill that countered skill spamming, or other viable ways to stop casting.

Jul 27, 2010, 11:09 PM // 23:09	#4
garethporlest18 Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: [HiDe] Profession: W/	Our AI doesn't get heavy energy regen like the enemy AI does. I heard that bosses and even regular monsters have like 5-10 regen on their energy so that they rarely run out and if they do they get it back right away. A good way to test it on that boss would be to bring skills that drain energy and do damage like Mind Wrack and then energy draining skills. Then you can prove what I heard wrong.

Jul 27, 2010, 11:14 PM // 23:14	#6
Mustache Mayhem Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: BEN Profession: R/N	curses necro does a good job against him too

Jul 27, 2010, 11:16 PM // 23:16	#7
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	Fire magic is weak in hard mode; don't use it. With the increased armor of your foes and the level difference reducing skill damage, choose armor ignoring damage if you want to kill things in a timely fashion. Enemies in PvE don't follow the same rules as players, especially bosses.

Jul 27, 2010, 11:23 PM // 23:23	#10
Mokeiro Academy Page Join Date: May 2009	Arcane Languor is your friend.

Jul 27, 2010, 11:50 PM // 23:50	#13
Mustache Mayhem Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: BEN Profession: R/N	barbs, ss, reckless haste.. esp if you bring a minion master- barbs take him down quick

Jul 28, 2010, 01:40 AM // 01:40	#14
Danax Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ontario Profession: R/Mo	try spiteful spirit, pain inverter, visions of regret, backfire, either of those to punish spamming or broad head arrow + ebon vanguard sin to stop the skill spamming

Jul 28, 2010, 02:31 AM // 02:31	#15
Life Bringing Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Fissure of Woe Guild: [LOD]/[GS]/[DL]/[LOD*] Profession: N/P	I had no issues with this...I hit him with a scythe for about 30 seconds and he died. Moral of the story:Scythes are better than most primary professions.

Jul 28, 2010, 02:48 AM // 02:48	#16
RedDog91 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Farming for Nick gifts Profession: R/	replace Sousuke with Xandra or Razah and run SoS

Jul 28, 2010, 06:58 AM // 06:58	#19
aspi Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2010 Guild: eeew Profession: N/Rt	You have a MM, so let him bring barbs or you bring it see him die within seconds. Oh and the skill finish him is pretty good too. Strange enough you could do enemies untill willem, I'd rather fight 10 willem than those damn cloaks.